Inspired Infantry Leader

Reading this text passage "....• Terrain movement and battle restrictions will always apply, unless stated otherwise on the Tactician card....."
the answer is NOT.

Is the second melee combat allowed if the unit took ground into a town hex?      ..................... NOT.
Same for Forest (except Light and similars, YG).

-Take Ground is a MUST, i dont know why the card text "may".
-What happen after 2nd melee. May Took Ground again? (This is not a must).

Then we will look at the rules of expansion 5

www.commandsandcolors.net/napoleonics/th...ics-expansion-5.html

and you will found this text passage in the description of the Tactician cards

"....• Terrain movement and battle restrictions will always apply, unless stated otherwise on the Tactician card....."

Is the second melee combat allowed if the unit took ground into a town hex ("A unit may not battle the turn it moves onto a Town type hex")?

Sorry TheMP you're totally right-i only had a few hours sleep last night and i realise i am sounding a bit sharp,and that's not acceptable.I'm reediting right now.Thanks for putting me right.

Thanks for your help superman, i think my question was unnecessary and a little pedantic in hindsight-sorry if i came across rude,that was not my intention.The main thing is that the Tactitian Card can be played.

If your question is: does retire and reform constitute a retreat? (For purposes of this particular tac card), Then my answer is yes because the unit moves like a retreating unit with respect to terrain. I.e. It essentially ignores all but impassable terrain, so it's a type of retreat. That's the way I play it with my opponent. Play it any way you wish.

Whilst here it might be 'nicer' if you phrase some of your posts in a somewhat politer format? Some of them come across as not particularly friendly. That in itself will put off people communicating with you.

I'm probably being slightly pedantic come to think of it.Richard has said the Tactitian Card can be played so that's the main thing.

If you look on page 16 of the rule book you will see an illustration of a cavalry unit performing a "retire and reform". Notice in the diagram that the retiring cavalry unit moves two hexes through wooded terrain. A normal move would make the unit stop when it enters terrain, but in a retreat you ignore the "must stop" rule. Therefore a "retire and reform" is like a retreat, and therefore the inspired infantry leader card may be played.

To me Vacating and Retiring do feel very different to the movement of Retreating-Thus only Cavalry symbols scoring hits.And to be fair,the Tactitian Card does only specify Retreating.So what is Richard saying? Is he saying there is no distinction between retiring and retreating? If so fair enough-or is he simply saying that while he acknowledges there is a distinction betweeen the two, the Tactitian Card applies regardless? Anyway,now we know it can be played,this means that:


* Because a Cavalry Unit could Retire only 1 Hex occupied by a Leader,it could be attacked a second time by means of this Tactitian Card

I think Bayern is right. The retreat/retire definition isn't ideal, and I have always considered the infantry firing at the cavalry as they retire ... not meleeing ... but given Richard's ruling, then I guess the infantry can not only take the ground, but then can use the Inspired Infantry Leader card to make a second attack. At least the cavalry can't be attacked again though, as they will have retreated out of range.

Vince, IIRC, I've prevented folks from taking ground in such cases in the past ... my ignorance in this case. I guess we read what we want to read rather than what's on the page sometimes. At least it'll now be imprinted on my brain and I shall inevitably always take ground in the future, he, he.

Q:

"An ordered Infantry unit with an attached LEADER, after a melee combat in which the enemy unit is either eliminated or retreats from its hex, may take ground and may make a second melee combat."
Can an INF with attached Leader use this card also after an attack to an opponent Cavalry, which retire&reform?

A:
Yes, because an infantry unit can Take Ground after the cavalry unit vacates the hex (retire&reform rules).
(Richard Borg: 2016 - 05- 23)

In this case, a logical answer....

Now i'm not sure on this guys.
1) is the Cavalry Retire and Reform actually a RETREAT action? The rule book states it VACATES the hex.It does not stay and fight in the melee.So i feel the Inspired Infantry Leader could not be played,as the Cavalry Unit has neither retreated or been eliminated.It has VACATED using a special action.
2) So-Is the Retire and Reform a RETREAT action? I'm not sure.

3)At no time is the Cavalry Unit described as retreating in the Rule Book.It Is is described as RETIRING.

4)If we insist it has RETREATED, a Retire and Reform action could involve retiring to only ONE hex if occupied by a Leader.Thus the Cavalry Unit could be attacked again by means of this Tactitian Card.

Bangla, I don't think anybody has been playing R&R wrong that I've seen. Its just you've decided never to advance I guess?

so the retiring cavalry unit would be safe from a second attack in that turn though.

The CAV yes (if this card is allowed to play, i check it), but you must not attack same unit again, if you advance and battles again with this TC

Just checked and you're right ... of course! I think one or two of us have been playing that one wrong since we started. I'm amazed I haven't questioned anyone during an online game. Perhaps it didn't come up.
But in that case, then surely the Inspired Infantry Leader card would result in the unit being able to take ground and them mèlée again? Obviously, there's no extra movement as per Cavalry Breakthrough, so the retiring cavalry unit would be safe from a second attack in that turn though.

From the Retire&Reform section:

The attacking infantry may Take Ground after a cavalry unit vacates the hex.

page 16, right colum,
it seems, i have another rulebook

Yes, but the rulebook says the Infantry can't take ground with retire and reform. So I would say this card can NOT be played in such a situation.

Rulebook says that you are calculating melee dice when attacking retreating cavalry

Not sure, what you exact means with this part, it´s indifferent, the IIL card speaking of an advance and second attack.

okay, so lets say I attack with infantry and leader force and target is cavalry. It elects to retire and reform. My thought is that this card may be played and used. Rulebook says that you are calculating melee dice when attacking retreating cavalry. You agree?